[EVA] Concurrency tangent (WAS: Alternate Rei on DVD cover)

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wait...so are you agreeing or disagreeing (well, generally) with the scenario I put forward?

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Caroline <aino.senshi at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Caroline <aino.senshi at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [EVA] Concurrency tangent (WAS: Alternate Rei on DVD cover)
To: "The english-language evangelion mailing list." <evangelion at eva.onegeek.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 3:58 AM

Just going to say that if either ending weren't needed, then they
wouldn't have been made period, whether it's EoTV or EoE.

The fact that EoTV only features Instrumentality--not 3rd
Impact--tells me that EoTV helps "fill in" the missing pieces of EoE,
and vice-versa. /My two cents.

On 2/2/10, Peter Svensson <sun1jack at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Kaji is an issue for the acceptance ending, not the rejection. Why is
>> Kaji there? He's dead. He died long before anything started. All
>> that's left of Kaji is memories. If the sky scene is part of the
>> complete Instrumentality entity, how can he be there?
>
> How do we know that being dead prevents you from participating in
> Instrumentality?
>
>> Fuyutsuki:      And the things recorded in your memory will be your truth.
>
> As long as he is remembered by others, he exists. The Kaji that exists in
> Kaji's mind is the same as the Kaji that exists in the minds of others.
> Being dead is irrelevant to Instrumentality.
>
>> How exactly would they have to congratulate Shinji before you would think
>> that
>> it's evidence against your interpretation?
>
> Differently. Look, when I see that scene it is so obviously a case for being
> inducted into a cult that I find your attempts to go "But they're all
> individuals! Look at their different phrasing and posture!" hard to swallow.
>
> Let's just pass on this one, since you can't help but see the individuality
> in that scene, and I can't help but see the conformity.
>
>> I suspect this is simply an example of someone not thinking things
>> through.
>
> Agreed. The Instrumentality of Bacteria while possibly amusing, leads to
> some really horrific possibilities.
>
>> That's the point.
>
> Instrumentality Shinji can have PenPen congratulate him if he wants since
> reality is malleable and based on personal desire.
>
>> And as I've said before, Shinji has chosen to return but hasn't yet.
>
> See, while I can understand that as an interpretation, would you honestly be
> able to come to that conclusion after only seeing the TV ending? Especially
> when they make a big deal about the limbo theatre shattering? It's a
> dramatic moment, and had the intent been to put Shinji back in reality, they
> had the transition necessary to make it happen. The limbo shattered. That to
> me doesn't feel appropriate for a "he's slowly drifting back to the real
> world" scenario.
>
> The limbo shatters, and Shinji is adrift in a magical void where people who
> are dead and people who are not are. I can't really see that as Gainax
> trying to suggest that Shinji has chosen to live in the real world given how
> unreal the imagery is. When they could just have easily set that final scene
> on say, the grassy hill overlooking Tokyo-3, just as easily and established
> that he's back in the physical world.
>
> I'm adamant that the TV ending has to stand on its own, and I can't see that
> anyone watching it without having seen the films would be able to make the
> assumption that Shinji ends it in a transitionary state and will eventually
> return to the physical world. Not when a simpler answer, that he's off in
> la-la land forever, exists.
>
>> But the two terms are used in both. Your scheme confuses more than it
>> enlightens.
>
> As I said, it's probably detrimental. Meaning that after a single post I've
> abandoned it since it's just not helpful.
>
> I think that we'd have been better off had Anno never decided to foist the
> Instrumentality of Mankind injoke on ADV, but what can we do?
>
> Peter Svensson
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