[EVA] Gender analysis in the series, vis a vis Asuka and Misato

[EB]

On Dec 12, 2009, at 12:59 PM, V V wrote:

 Well...is rain wet?  Yes, I, V, have biting contempt for anything fan-made
and particularly the pornographic things...

And that's a very valid point, however to try and force your contempt on
others, disqualifying something because it doesn't fit your approved
standard or mode is not a Revolution (or rather a REMOlution, if you ask
me), it's trying to make it a thoughtcrime.



On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 4:00 PM, V V <frumious99 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Logical counterpoint:  Anno grew so disgusted with the endless
> merchandising of Eva, the thousands of naked Asuka and Rei statuettes, that
> he put in the opening scene of End of Eva (not the whole thing just the
> first scene) as sort of a "this is what you fanboys are really like, you
> ignored our character study and just made a ton of porn" thing.
>

Yeah, right... anno gre so disgusted with something that sells? This is the
guy who revolutionized the term "milking a franchise".


> I really think the naughty fanart detracts from our overall understanding
> of the series.
>
> Even say, Peter Jackson, was known for his splatter-fest films, but his
> later work wasn't filled with gore.
>

Just because he filmed the lord of the rings and you think that book is the
bestest of the best books does it mean we have to accept this; lots of fans
were also against his re-imagination of certain scenes, but people let him
get away with it because it's just a movie; a sort of fan-based,
but Hollywood backed homage trying to explain and visualize what Tolkien
wrote.


> The self-serving, misinterpretted fanfiction has been allowed to run
> rampant for too long.  It's time to rein in the brutes.
>

It's also time fro you to accept the fact that no one really acres about how
you think one form or another are misrepresntive. Like i said, I will garner
proof of Retake and Kimimaru beicoming mainstream as soon as you prove your
REMOlution is not simply a cry for people to trun and look at you and you
have something actualkly worth reading other than "WAAH! Aaron and Rachel
banned me from their site even after I slaved myself on their Wiki! I DEMAN
EVA FANDOM PUTS MY NAME OF "V" ON TOP OF THEM BECAUSE i'M BETTER THAN THEM!"

Seriously, all of your point/counterpoint is becoming more like a spoiled
brat who simply doesn't want people to forget he's there and kicks the table
to make them look at him.

> The funny this is, you guys dump on "Angelic Days" for being the same
> mawkish, self-serving, self-medication style narrative that "ReDo" is, you
> just prefer that one because it was fan made and thus in some warped
> capacity, "one of us".

No, I dump on angelic days because the art was sub par when compared to ISIK
or the manga; the story was interesting and I did like it (except for the
epilogue which felt like Hayashi was told "make another volume! we can sell
it!")

I think that soptry wise, both Angelic Days (or GoS2) and Retake have
validation because the author wrote a compelling story, as opposed to the
ISIK which feels like reading Love Hina over and over again.

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Carl Horn <once at ix.netcom.com> wrote:

But you seek to see what is actually there, don't you? Look at "E-Mono,"
> (ISBN4-04-852868-8), edited by Gainax and published by Newtype during
> Christmas 1997; i.e., the year THE END OF EVANGELION came out. It was the
> then-definitive catalog of licensed Evangelion goods. There are certainly
> many Asuka and Rei statuettes, but not naked; many are in fact based on
> fan-service shots from Anno's show--bandages Rei, one-piece bathing suit
> Rei, two-piece bathing suit Asuka, skirt-blowing Asuka, etc.
>

Agreed, If there is one thing that eva was famous for was
the gratuitous fanservice (the gainax bounce) as well as the promise of more
"service" in each episode preview.


> Rei and Asuka were designed as sex symbols, and that's what they became. I
> agree with you that the masturbation scene in the film is a statement about
> the sexualization of the characters.


There's also the whole sequence of "stephen" I believe is the name used in
Otaku no Video; every single female character is developed to be a source of
sex appeal and service, because every animu wishes to sell figures and kits;
it's something you have to accept in Eva even more; especially when seeing
Rebuild; the whole 2.0 aspects of Shikinami is nothing more than service
service service in my opinion.