[EVA] Gender analysis in the series, vis a vis Asuka and Misato

[V V]

The funny this is, you guys dump on "Angelic Days" for being the same mawkish, self-serving, self-medication style narrative that "ReDo" is, you just prefer that one because it was fan made and thus in some warped capacity, "one of us".  

Let me get this straight, the defense was "We made a version with all the hardcore sex scenes cut out!"...riiiiight.  Imagine if we said the same thing about a show airing on TV or something;

look, regardless of the porn scenes, I would oppose it, because it's just....telling fans what they want to hear, with a self-serving "happy" story.

Why do you oppose Angelic Days, yet support that?

And once again my central argument:  the title of this message thread was "Gender analysis, Misato, and Asuka" and my point was "why don't we have any essays seriously discussing Misato's reflection of the changing roles of the modern Japanese woman?"

your response was to chide me for not enjoying fan-made porn fanart, rather than to offer an opinion on Misato/gender roles.

And they wonder why we need a ReVolution....

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, EB <marestes at gmail.com> wrote:

From: EB <marestes at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [EVA] Gender analysis in the series, vis a vis Asuka and Misato
To: "The english-language evangelion mailing list." <evangelion at eva.onegeek.org>
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 7:52 AM

Taking into account that a doujinshi is fan made, and fan-published, and
seeing that it ran for about 6 volumes (of more than just 20-50 pages) and
that he still released an "all ages version" without the graphical sex, I
would think the fan reception in japan was good enough to garner Kimimaru to
keep on doing this, unless he is actually the renegade son of a
wealthy Japanese industrialist who is doing it for the sake of art. A
household name implies that in the evafandom (global, not only restricted to
Japan and the states, but also in Russia, Latin America, certain parts of
europe, etc.) he is perhaps seen as a valid form of interpretation of Eva,
perhaps not that different form a fanfiction, but one that
has transcended the circle it was intended for (Japan) into others it never
even thought possible.

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Gwern Branwen <gwern0 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:48 PM, EB <marestes at gmail.com> wrote:
> When you say household name, do you mean that Kimimaru/etc. got actual
> mainstream attention & media coverage for Re-Take? I know it was
> popular among Eva fans in English, but that's not necessarily saying
> very much how it did in Japan. (No doubt there are pornographic
> doujins which are well-known among Eva fans but one would not call the
> author a 'household name'.)
>
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On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM, V V <frumious99 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> prove that Redo is a household name


I will when you prove your ReVolution is actually a tangible effort to make
a new fan-based attempt at understanding eva and not some silly little
tantrum from a guy who thinks he's a comic book character,
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