[EVA] Tangent: EoTV vs EoE (again?)

Sailor Star Dust aino.senshi at gmail.com
Mon Jun 9 18:50:18 EDT 2008


>Why does reality fracture

It's not reality, the stage represents Instrumentality (there is also a
theater/auditorium during the live action sequence of EoE).

>and everyone smile the same smile and say the same words while floating
above the world in a blue void above the Earth?

Acutally they're on Earth on a coral reef:
http://evageeks.org/FGP/Image:Congratulations.jpg

>Why are dead people hanging out with the living in such a manner?

Because Instrumentality is all of humanity: note Kaji is in both versions of
the endings.

>Why does Shinji speak via the Tel-op? How is he omniscient in such a
manner?

Instrumentality hasn't been rejected yet; people's souls are still joined
together.


>The final scene is the most important of them all.

Addressed at the bottom.

>Because the two are like parallel universes. Similar things happen in them,
but that doesn't make them the same.

>
I'm just going to reply with your own words here:

>the TV ending was done at the last minute, based on the originally planned
ending and using as much of the footage for that original ending as they
could salvage.

And actually, even if we would have gotten EoE into the TV series ending,
supposedly an Eva movie was still being planned.

 >Kaworu, who plays a major role in the movie ending has none in the TV
ending.

Just because Kaworu's not in the TV ending doesn't mean it's not the same
ending. That's like saying just because people reverting to LCL isn't
explicitly mentioned in the TV ending (with the exception of  these lines:
SHINJI: What is this sensation? I feel like I've experienced it before,  as
if the shape of my body is melting away.It feels so good. I feel like I'm
growing, expanding outward...On and on...) that it's not the case.

 >And the TV ending , rushed and incoherent as it is, doesn't end the same
way as the movie did. The TV ending's message is "you can be happy because
reality is subjective."

Actually, EoTV says this:

SHINJI: One possibility that's in me. The me right now is not exactly who I
am.
All sorts of me's are possible. That's right. A me that's not an Eva pilot
is possible too.

MISATO: When you think of it that way, this world of reality isn't so bad.

(snip)

SHINJI: But doesn't everybody hate me?

ASUKA: What are you, stupid?! You're just making yourself believe that,
that's all!

SHINJI: But I hate myself.

REI: Anyone who hates himself can't come to love and trust others.

SHINJI: I'm a gutless, hypocritical, wimpy coward.

MISATO: See? lf you understand yourself, you can be kind.

SHINJI: I hate myself.

SHINJI & ASUKA & MISATO: But maybe I can learn to love myself.

SHINJI: Maybe it's okay for me to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing
more, nothing less!
I'm me. I want to be me! I want to be here! And it's okay for me to be here!

Compared to EoE:

REI (OFF): You escaped to imagination, and distorted the truth.

SHINJI (OFF): I can't have my own dream?

REI (OFF): It's not a dream...but a substitute for reality.

SHINJI (OFF): Then where's my dream?

REI (OFF): It's a continuation of reality.

SHINJI (OFF): Where's my reality?

REI (OFF): It's where the dream ends.

(Snip)

YUI (OFF): It will be alright. All lifeforms have the power to restore
themselves and the wish to live. If you decide to live, anywhere can be
heaven...because you're alive. There will be chances to be happy everywhere.
As long as the Sun, Moon and Earth exist...it will be alright.

(Snip)

SHINJI: I still don't know how I can be happy...but I'm here, and I will
keep wondering why I was born. Then I'll simply discover things that are so
common again and again...in order for me to be myself.

Comparing some of the final lines of each ending from Shinji:

Episode 26 SHINJI, before the Congratulations scene: Maybe it's okay for me
to be here! That's right! I'm me, nothing more, nothing less! I'm me. *I
want to be me! I want to be here!** And it's okay for me to be here!*

Episode 26' SHINJI, when parting ways with Yui: I still don't know how I can
be happy...*but I'm here*, and I will keep wondering why I was born. Then
I'll simply discover things that are so common again and again...*in order
for me to be myself.*

seem to be saying the same thing: Shinji is here (the real world/reality)
and he will continue to do so because he is who he is.

>I've yet to see a "The two endings are the same" supporter give me an
explanation for that final scene of the TV ending that works.

Shinji is being congratulated for rejecting Instrumentality/the fact that
everybody can maintain their individuality. If Instrumentality DID occur,
Shinji and the others wouldn't exist as themselves.

>(I can grudgingly accept the "The TV ending has Shinji in the
instrumentality, but then he escapes it later as in EoE" PoV)

To quote the Internet, lolwut?  Instrumentality can't be "escaped" from.
Once the process of Instrumentality fully happens (both versions of the
ending show a "pre-Instrumentality" by the way), it's a done deal.


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